{"id":1729,"date":"2002-12-17T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2002-12-17T00:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/banneroftruth.co\/us\/resources\/articles\/2002\/presbytery-welcomes-unbeliever-as-minister"},"modified":"2002-12-17T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"2002-12-17T00:00:00","slug":"presbytery-welcomes-unbeliever-as-minister","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/staging.banneroftruth.org\/uk\/resources\/articles\/2002\/presbytery-welcomes-unbeliever-as-minister\/","title":{"rendered":"Presbytery Welcomes Unbeliever As Minister"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><P><strong>&quot;Is Jesus God?&quot; asked a member of the presbytery. &quot;No,&quot;         she replied. &quot;He was filled with the spirit of God.&quot; <\/strong><P>by Parker T. Williamson      <P> WOODSTOWN, N.J. The United Presbyterian Church, USA, Presbytery of West        Jersey, by a vote of nearly 3-1, has welcomed into the ministry a candidate        who would not affirm the full deity of Christ and rejected the &quot;idea&quot;         that        Jesus died to save us from our sins.      <P> About 18 commissioners requested that their negative votes be officially        recorded as dissents, and an appeal to the presbytery&#8217;s permanent judicial        commission is expected.      <P> The Rev. Graeme Veitch, chair of the presbytery&#8217;s committee on ministry,        proposed that the Rev. Helen Dekker be approved as interim minister of        Haddon Heights Presbyterian Church.      <P> This was the second time that Dekker, a minister of the Reformed Church         of        the Netherlands who had previously worked as an ecumenical enabler for         the        World Council of Churches, had come before the presbytery. The first try,        in September, brought forth more questions than answers. In her written        statement of faith, Dekker had a lot to say about God. &quot;The Eternal         IS,&quot;        she said. &quot;One better not question that. This is the foundation of         my        faith. GOD IS.&quot;      <P> But Dekker had little to say about the relationship between Jesus of        Nazareth and this God. She said she was thankful that Jesus &quot;brought         me        under the wings of God&#8217;s love,&quot; but beyond that, it was not clear         that she        saw much more in him.      <P> That led to questions. &quot;Is Jesus God?&quot; asked a member of the         presbytery.        &quot;No,&quot; she replied. &quot;He was filled with the spirit of God.&quot;      <P> So the Presbytery of West Jersey sent Dekker back to the committee on        ministry for further discussion, and the committee was back again on        November 19, repeating its recommendation that Dekker be approved.      <P> Dekker opened with gratitude for &quot;the calls, cards and flowers&quot;         that she        received from supporters following the September presbytery meeting. She        said that this period of examination caused her to lean more heavily upon        the God of the universe who is &quot;limitless and borderless.&quot;      <P> &quot;Being a disciple means being a student,&quot; she said. Scripture,         &quot;with its        symbolic narrative and poetic metaphor has &#8230; shown me that God is beyond        us all. His truth is enshrined in mystery.&quot;      <P> Of Jesus, Dekker said, &quot;His way is God&#8217;s way, and we are challenged         to        follow him in that way.&quot; She said that each morning when she prays         to        Christ, he is resurrected in her. &quot;I am challenged to do my very         best to        represent Christ to others that day,&quot; she said, suggesting that when         she        does so, Christ is resurrected on that day in her actions.      <P> Questions followed. The Rev. Dean Waldt, an attorney and a parish associate        at Faith Presbyterian Church in Medford, N.J., said, &quot;In September         you said        that God the Father alone is fully God. I must ask you, was Jesus of        Nazareth fully the eternal God?      <P> &quot;The Bible does not say that God became Jesus,&quot; replied Dekker.         &quot;Jesus        fully embraced the spirit of the holy God &#8230; and all of us who accept        Jesus are born of God, and the spirit of God can become incarnate in US.&quot;      <P> The Rev. Richard Carter, also of Faith Presbyterian Church, asked, &quot;Please        tell us who is saved and how.&quot;      <P> Dekker answered, &quot;Eternal life is not knowing God as Savior, but         knowing        God as God. &#8230; Our duty is to witness to God. Sometimes there are        unbelievers with a better witness to the gospel than some Christians.&quot;      <P> The Rev. David Wenkler of St. Paul&#8217;s Presbyterian Church in Laurel Springs,        N.J., asked, &quot;Then what do you understand sin to be, and what does         it mean        to be lost?&quot;      <P> Dekker answered: &quot;The gospel of John only used the &#8216;lamb of God&#8217;         twice. It        said he takes away the sin of the world. I emphasize &quot;the&quot; in         that        statement &#8230; Christ was so deeply entwined with the divine and with the        human that he brought the two together &#8230; When I look at the cross, that        is what I see &#8211; the constant struggle to bring heaven and earth together.&quot;      <P> Another minister spoke: &quot;I know the committee has worked very diligently        with Helen,&quot; he said. &quot;There is some discomfort with the language         and the        symbols that she uses.&quot; But, he suggested, this could be nothing         more than        a linguistic problem. &quot;Could you speak to this, Graeme?&quot; he         asked.      <P> Graeme Veitch, chair of the committee on ministry, replied, &quot;English         is her        second language, and this must be very uncomfortable for her In my opinion,        although she is unorthodox in her expression, she is orthodox in her        faith.&quot;      <P> Dekker was excused from the room, and three members of the Haddon Heights        church took the stand. The first, a woman who had served as a member of         the        committee that recruited Dekker, said, &quot;She teaches us to find the         Spirit        in ourselves, and she has helped us rewrite our mission statement &#8230;         It is        a little different from what we are used to, but we feel the Spirit with        Helen leading us.&quot;      <P> A second session member, the current clerk of session, said, &quot;I&#8217;ll         never        forget the first sermon I heard her preach. It was on racism and        tolerance.&quot;      <P> The third session member said, &quot;I have learned three things about         what it        means to be a Presbyterian: (1) We must have an open heart, so Jesus can        get inside. (2) We must be an open door to accept all races, genders,        status &#8230; everything. (3) We must, have an open mind. We must be &quot;reformed        and always reforming.&quot;      <P> &quot;That is the definition of Presbyterianism that is being challenged        tonight,&quot; he said. &quot;In the final analysis, every Presbyterian         has to come        up with his own faith through study, and contemplation and prayer.&quot;      <P> Waldt responded: &quot;In September, we asked her if Jesus is God. She         said        &#8216;no.&#8217; Tonight she pointed to John&#8217;s gospel and said &#8216;the Word remained         the        Word and God remained God.&#8217; That&#8217;s not what the gospel says. It says,         &#8216;The        Word was with God and the Word was God.&#8217; Later it says, &#8216;and the Word         was        made flesh and dwelt among us &#8230;&#8217; She is not proclaiming the gospel,         and        she is violating what the church has said about Jesus, certainly since         the        Council of Nicaea.&quot;      <P> A minister who identified himself as a member of the Committee on Ministry        jumped to his feet: &quot;Her theology is not aberrant,&quot; he said.         &quot;She believes        in the Trinity. She believes that Christ is the second person of the        Trinity. She just will not affirm anything that is modalistic. A modalist        says that Jesus Christ is one of God&#8217;s three forms, and she&#8217;s not going         to        do that.&quot;      <P> &quot;I was a member of the committee also,&quot; Carter said. &quot;I         heard her say she        could not affirm the fall divinity of Jesus Christ or the idea of personal        salvation &#8230; I submit that her statements are full of love, but they         lack        clarity, and they do not conform to the historic faith as affirmed in        Scripture and the life of the Church.&quot;      <P> &quot;Many have said she is a likeable person &#8211; I agree with that,&quot;         Carter        continued. &quot;And some have said that they do not want to offend her         &#8230; But        there are others that I cannot offend. I cannot offend that great cloud         of        witnesses who have affirmed the faith over the centuries. And I cannot        offend the Lord of the Church. Therefore, I will have to vote against        approving Rev. Dekker as a minister in this church.&quot;      <P>Taken from &#8216;The Layman&#8217; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.layman.org\" target=\"_blank\">www.layman.org<\/a>         December 2002<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&quot;Is Jesus God?&quot; asked a member of the presbytery. &quot;No,&quot; she replied. &quot;He was filled with the spirit of God.&quot; by Parker T. Williamson WOODSTOWN, N.J. 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